If you ever question any motif of this government, you will be asked whether you want to go back to pre 1/11 Bangladesh. I don’t know what is meant by pre 1/11, does pre 1/11 mean the street violence on Oct 28? Aren’t the elections of 1991, 1996 or 2001 pre 11 events also? What about 15 years of political, press, speech freedome? What about unprecedented economic growth? Aren’t all these pre 1/11 Bangladesh? How fair it is to dismiss 15 years of stability, freedome or developement because to 30 some days of relative anarchy? I’ll rest this issue on the readers.
But let me try to give you a glimpse of post 1/11 Bangladesh.
After 1/11 we started seeing and hearing a military general almost on a daily basis. This man promoted himself to be a General and started lecturing the nation about politics and policies. How many times did you hear him talk before 1/11?
Competeing with this self promoted general was another self promoted Lt General. These Generals graciously filled in the void created by absence of the publicity crazy ministers of political government.
First few things these Generals did were
this
( Interestingly, Tareq Rahman just complained of being tortured in the same way. Looks like this is popular tool of 1/11 revolution).
this
this
this
this
and this ( Cholesh Risil’s dead body).
Politicians were arrested and hoarded in jails without any charges.
They were tortured inhumanly, days after day; without any charges. ( The blindfolded man in the picture is the national president of one of the largest student political fonts).
Ex ministers, along with their whole family including wife and teenage daughters, were locked up without charges.
Politicians wives as well as internationally recognized human rights activists were taken back and forth from jail to court in this condition.
Even national leader and ex PM couldn’t escape their wrath. They lacked the minimal courtesy and decency.
Ex PM’s son and his friend remains the nation’s favourite whipping boy. After record 70 days of remand AKA torture, 1/11 government fail to make a solid case against any of them and end up framing a false arms case with planted weapon.
When most of the politicians are jailed and tortured, government and their Dalal newspapers work hard to promote a bunch of dalal (turncoat) politicians.
They try to exile two popular political leaders and fail miserably. Here is the picture of a group of AL activists rushing to airport on return of Sheikh Hasina. Govt did lodge case against them.
But this government dared not touch this people doing the same thing, i.e. gathering in the street defying the state of emergency.
At governments, open patronage, an army of chamchikas suddenly became very visible in the political horizon of Bangladesh.
However grassroots activists remained vigilant against turncoats.
Although these sort of picture of October 2006 is stated as the cause of 1/11, these specific pictures are very much from events after 1/11.
Students gloriously defied the iron fist of fear mongering ” patriotic armed forces”.
In the name of crusade against corruption, they took this building in 12 hours notice and turn it into
this….
Despite all these mayhem; foreign donation increases dramatically…(hint hint..) ( Excluding Post Sidr data)
..so does the remittence form NRBs.
( Inflation from June 2006 to Oct 2007, look at the rising trend from january 2007)
still this government miserably fails to run the country. As the above graph shows, the inflation as well as the prices of essentials skyrocket.
..export drops dramatically.
Although this governments, main theme was eradication of coruption, the CPI ( Coruption perception index) fail to improve for the first time after continuous improvement last five years.
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Please take me back to pre 1/11 days.
In the Middle of Nowhere 
January 11, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Rumi Bhai – This article goes well with what you have written here:
http://www.jaijaidin.com/archive/2008-01-07/details.php?nid=48425
January 11, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Great article, Rumi bhai. Always much better to back up arguments with facts, and we need to start collecting the abundance of facts that will show the true tyrannical, anti-people nature of this military government.
January 11, 2008 at 5:17 pm
I have a question – the CTG should and should not have done many things in the last year. But let’s be forward looking and practical – what *should* they do now? The exit strategy for this government has always been an issue. What exit strategy would you advise them to follow?
Saying “hold elections asap” is not practical as an exit strategy for the army – the inevitable winner, AL (BNP? unlikely), will very likely come after the ones in power today. Other options have been discussed and tried (“minus two” etc.)
The way out of this mess for our country is one that has to be acceptable by the powers. Let’s give the army the benefit of doubt for a moment and say they are not looking to stay forever – what exit strategy do they have that is honorable (read “face saving”) and safe for all and saves our country from an otherwise, increasingly bleak prospect of military or puppet rule?
January 11, 2008 at 7:58 pm
Here is one exit strategy.
http://www.drishtipat.org/blog/2007/11/14/one-way-out/
January 11, 2008 at 10:01 pm
My strategy is a bit different. I want to see a re-staging of December 6 1990. And I don’t want to wait 8 years for that.
And although I am against capital punishment, I want to follow Ziaur Rahman’s strategy (sans death penalty) in discouraging any further coup adventure. Ziaur Rahman was ruthless in discouraging a repeat of 15th August, 3rd and 7th november. Although he could not prevent it against him but he effectively pushed back the pakistanization of Bangladesh by at least 20 years.
26 years later we are again in the path of Pakistanization. That need to be stopped.
January 12, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Rumi Bhai,
One of my friends is always used to take public opinions, like from CNG drivers, Rickshaw-walas, shopkeepers etc. He raises a random topic due to sound political issues and just try to make an idea about what people are thinking.
Six months back, people were talking like, “Bhaloi to hoitase bhai… ei montri-mp-ra teka-poysha luita khaitesilo… shob dhora khaise…” etc. etc.
But now, I am very amazed that, very sound fans of this present regime now want this regime’s head. The evening when new advisers took oath by Chief Justice Major Ruhul Amin (Bar. Rafiqul Huq called him a major… not me), many “important” guests were heading to Bangabhaban & the security was tight. As well as, there was unimaginable traffic around those areas, he was in one of them near Stadium area. Rickshaw-pullers, their passengers, even shopkeepers and shoppers inside stadium/baitul-mukarram, used so sweet words on our present regime and specially on our patriot armed forces. In some incidents, he raised some points in the favor of this regime, this made people more abusive, aggressive & angry on this regime, his trick worked. Ultimately, people are total fed up with this present regime, they want to get rid of it.
Specially, the advertisement project has given absolutely an opposite result. Many people, even simple men & women in rural areas have raised questions that, this regime was talking about corruption & wastage of government’s money politicians, whereas they themselves are wasting government’s money for these stupid publicity. It could be used for Sidr victims rather than asking fellow Muslims to donate the price of qurbani-cattle to sidr funds. If anybody hasn’t read Shafik Rehman’s “Caretaker Shorkar-er Batting Biporjoy” http://www.jaijaidin.com/details.php?nid=48879
yet, is requested to read it immediately, know that how bad their second innings is going.
January 12, 2008 at 6:01 pm
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January 12, 2008 at 6:04 pm
Anon,
People who run a country have to be confident enough of themselves and people’s feeling towards them, otherwise they have no business running the country in the first place.
And the longer this regime hangs on to secure a favorable situation, the more trouble they will find themselves surrounded by in the end.
January 12, 2008 at 9:42 pm
I am not sure what point you are trying to make. I hope you are not saying that formation of this gov. was wrong to begin with. Because that was one step taken to stop the Jan 22 election and also an attempt to end the repeatition of same old failed governance by our politicians in B’desh. Not only that, 1/11 also started with hope for a new country with better future and good governance. You may know that separation of judiciary has become a reality, attempts have been made to prevent overnight transformation of x-amla and gov officers into political leaders right after their retirement, which will discourage officials with political ambition favor certain political party during their service period. Culture of corruption in Bangladesh is the most defficult thing to fight. The CTG is trying to fight it. New rules are set for prospetive MPs so that there must be some clarity as to who goes to the sangsad to make laws and run the country. So many things I can write about the CTG that are positive, but I will try to make my point without further elaboration of what they did.
The CTG took over a nearly impossible task, and dared to do it, your write up is about one year anniversary of the CTG. One year ONLY.. and we are so dissatisfied!! Inflation is up, food prices are up, people cant live, loadshedding what not.., We can give indefinite time to elected politicians to make the country free from load shedding, even if they fail, we dont mind, but one year for the CTG too much..See, they did not bring aladin’s cherag with them, They are fighting against not only the once powerful political system, they are also fighting against the social system that was set slowly overtime by the corrput dumbheaded politicians for the last 17 years. Corruption and nepotism is in the fabric of our social belief and system. We dont get a job if my uncle is not in the interview board, I dont get a tender if I am not connected to local or central political leader. Those who benefitted by doing business, getting jobs in these ways in the last three spells of democracy will never tolerate this gov. as they can not get their halua-ruti in the same way any more. They must go back to the old system. I am sure,many of us think that way. We just cant wait to see this CTG fail. I am not by any means saying that you will be happy to see that too.. nothing personal please. My point is please look at what they are trying to achieve and try to see it positively. Yes, politicians are filling up the central jail, but are they any politician? any honest politician? When these politicians looted my country do you think they left very clear evidence of that? Is it possible that trying to find evidence of crimes happened in khaleda zia’s first term or second term is not a easy task? I am not sure what the exit strategy is, but there has to be good way to prevent corrupt people to come to the power again. I dont know how it may happen, because these two parties do not have any change, no signs that they will change their ways of thinking. Yes, military regime is not good for democracy, but isnt it a relative thing? what democracy I am talking about?Our role as people of the country is so passive, we are also inherently like to follow AL or BNP. So any change is a far fetched thing once the CTG leaves. Let me give you an example, talking about ABM Mohiuddin of CTG city corporation, one blogger made a comment that Mohiuddin has done a lot for the city, so he has the right to do some churi-chamari.. so frustrating to see how we think. Is there any change in that? Any signs in the horizon? please show me.
This is an attempt by the CTG to change things.. my salute goes to them. I will never question their patriotism at least, but I know for sure, our politicians dont love our country.
January 12, 2008 at 10:18 pm
“None”.. let me respond to you..
“You may know that separation of judiciary has become a reality…”
That is only in papers and in the rhetorics of dalals of this government. To be fair and practical, judiciary in Bangladesh, including the highest appeallate division of Bangladesh Supreme Court, has never so much submissive to the government. Lawyers ain Supreme Court started calling the chief justice as Major Ruhul Amin. Magistrates are being used in hostage taking business called “remand”. All highcourt judgements are being held by the Major Ruhul Amin.
” attempts have been made to prevent overnight transformation of x-amla and gov officers into political leaders right after their retirement,…”
What attempts? Also remember this about Moeen.
“Culture of corruption in Bangladesh is the most defficult thing to fight. The CTG is trying to fight it…”
How? By giving VVIP treatment to Mannan Bhuiyan, the ex-LGRD minister, which was deemed by partners of 1/11 conspiracy as the most corrupt ministry?
The rest of your rather long rumbling does not merit an answer.
January 13, 2008 at 12:14 am
None, CTG took over the easiest task in the world, they used armed force and imprisonment against an unarmed people who did not and would not fight back. There is nothing very creditworthy about locking up politicians in jail and gloating about them, or about keeping them in jail for months with detention without a single case even being filed against them, let alone securing any convictions. There is credit in actually unearthing the details of a corruption point by point, who gave the money, under what terms was the moeny given, who pressed for the money etc. Not a single corruption case like this have been proved. Convictions have either been for income tax violations, or in cases like Nazmul Huda’s, where it’s one person’s word against another, with the judge invariably favoring the prosecutor’s side.
All the things that you talk about: corruption, crime, extortion, they are all the results of might being used without right. This government is the biggest believer of might in the history of Bangladesh, their solution to any problem is to let people with guns become involved. Our armed forces are now selling rice and doing data entry of villagers, let us their chief doesn’t make them start cleaning streets as well soon.
There is no question of wanting this portion or that portion to come back to power in Bangladesh. We all want only one entity to come to power: those for whom the people of Bangladesh will vote. It is as simple as that.
January 13, 2008 at 1:12 am
None,
I am not too sure about your interest to read the third of the comments which is answering your say.
Rumi Bhai & Tacit have already answered most of points you raised. I want to just add some other things.
“[…] One year ONLY.. and we are so dissatisfied!! Inflation is up, food prices are up, people cant live, loadshedding what not.., We can give indefinite time to elected politicians to make the country free from load shedding, even if they fail, we dont mind, but one year for the CTG too much […]”
Come on ‘none’! there is no legitimacy of a CTG in BD if it remains more than 90 days. They have passed their ‘expiry date’ 9 months ago and right now what they are is downright ‘oboidho’. Believe me, CTG’s unlawful hold of power, was the biggest corruption ever happened in Bangladesh.
“[…]We dont get a job if my uncle is not in the interview board, I dont get a tender if I am not connected to local or central political leader […]”
Then, do you want to say all jobs since 1/11 has been given without biasing of any uncle? Do you want to say every agencies those have been winning tenders since 1/11 did not have to pay a buck extra to anyone? all these they got without bribes? I think you are one of those people who justify things by reading newspapers, to be precise, reading Prothom Alo & Daily Star.
*you said,
[…]They are fighting against not only the once powerful political system, they are also fighting against the social system that was set slowly overtime by the corrput dumbheaded politicians for the last 17 years[…]
How is that fight? How they are fighting? By having half of the presidium into jail and another half with VIP escort to plot things in Singapore? by police escort to save their skin from shoes while taking over the party office?
[…]what democracy I am talking about?[…]
May be, you were talking about DGFIcracy.
[…]This is an attempt by the CTG to change things.. my salute goes to them[…]
Sounds like “ekhoni shomoy”. Whatever, I want to remind you a dialog in a hindi movie called “Yuva”. In one part, Om Puri said, “Bohot log aya hai idhar… din badal-ne ke liye. Magar, kuch bhag gaya, kuch khud-hi badal gaya” this means “Many people have come to change things. But some of them have escaped and other themselves got changed”.
This is the answer of your verse “CTG to change things..”
January 13, 2008 at 3:45 am
Rumi
“How fair it is to dismiss 15 years of stability, freedom or development because to 30 some days of relative anarchy?”……..If there were any genuine stability, freedom, unprecedented economic growth and political development in BD then that short time anarchy had not taken place. These developments were all in papers like the way said about the separation of judiciary system. Past 15 years were the golden era only for some crooks not for the majority people of Bangladesh.
January 13, 2008 at 4:17 am
All of us know that there are specific ways for everything to get done. Its not like a General thinks that things are going wrong, so he should have the President resigned at gunpoint from a constitutional post.
People in 1991 voted for BNP, BNP came to power. After five years, majority justified BNP and perhaps thought BNP isn’t fit, they voted for AL & AL came to power in 1996. People showed their ability when it was time, the election. Then majority again found AL unfit to lead this nation and they again voted for BNP & brought them in power in 2001. You know this is how democracy is. This the way by which things should progress. Whenever people thought anyone fit, they brought them to power, whenever they thought anybody unfit, threw them away. Who will be delivering “jati-r uddeshhe bhashon”, it was up to mass people of Bangladesh. They could throw away whom they dislike. But now, what people can do? All edges of public opinions are blocked by the “state of emergency”. When any public uprise appears, it is sent to ease by curfew and passers-by are tied tight with traffic posts. The present government is not supported by people. Neither the CTG is able to reach people, nor public is able to reach the CTG. Not a single member of the adviser’s council is publicly elected, proved to be fit to lead a nation. This CTG has no point to get support from people. “War on Corruption”? This regime’s war on corruption is the dirtiest drama ever been played in Bangladeshi history of anti-corruption. What kind of fight is that? Noor Ali, Ajam Jahangir bribed Hasina and Hasina is in jail. Then where is Ajam Jahangir & Noor Ali? What is source of their money? Have they been brought to justice? Why Begum Zia’s lawyers are obstructed to meet Begum Zia? DUDOK asked Transcom’s Latifur Rahman for his asset inventory. Has he submitted that? If yes, was that full-proof and alright? Why this has not been made public? DUDOK was frequently publishing corrupt-list at initial stages of CTG. Why this has been stopped? Does corruption brought to end?
All these questions are rising into people’s minds. Universal reality is, people are damn hungry for the truth, for answers of their questions. This CTG has failed to provide them with truth, rather its mouthpieces have been lying to people over & over. Why people will believe this regime? Why they will tolerate its failure? When a political government is failed, that is the failure of people because that was elected by people themselves, people will tolerate that and will try to repel the mistake in a coming election. But what now? why people will stand this CTG? People have not brought them into power, people do not want them in power.
January 13, 2008 at 10:24 am
Thanks for the comments.
Xanthis: People voted three different times, and changed govmnt. Your statement suggests that it should be continued, I do not understand why that should continue, because no change in quality of life took place. other that few years of AL there was the same darkness in the country. Law and order, extortion, political rahajani, abduction, administration politicization you name it. These parties could not even come up with an effective plant to produce sufficient electricity in 15 years Xanthis, in 15 years!!! That is not democratic and it is not certainly what people wanted. The accumulative effect of all these created 1/11. I really dont understand how and why you support that ineffective system. AL and BNP just wanted to stay in power and do jomidari, we deserve better at this stage.
Your earlier comment on oboidho CTG is that, Indemnity made Bongobondhu murder trial oboidho, that really doesnt mean that Bongobondhu murder trial should have not happened. That trial took place by removing indemnity. Constituion is for people, people are not for constitution. COnstituiton needs to be amended if deemed necessary.
January 13, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Thanks for coming back & analyzing replies of your comment, None.
If I admit your claims to be the reality, then the existence & each steps of the present regime are complete hypocrisy. I think you will understand, the only reason of people’s frustration about this regime is the wide gap between their motto and their deeds.
1. They talked about strong anti-corruption, whereas corruptions are being committed just at “naker doga” of this regime. Husband of one of it’s advisers hired men to beat his landlord-couple to hospital. And when that couple went to Police with bandage around head & hands, they found they have already been complained under a case of abduction by that adviser’s husband. No DUDOK, no Task Force, nobody came to take action. Police didn’t take their case too.
2. They talked about neat & fair politics, but it’s this regime which has encouraged dirty politics inside two major parties. I hope you haven’t forgot DGFI engineered coup attempts of Mannan-Hafiz in BNP & Mukul-Amu in Awami League.
3. This regime talked about wastage of government money by politicians, but it’s this regime who spent government money to advertise themselves, to protect their public image.
4. This regime talked about free-press, democracy and people. The free-press is silenced at gunpoint, people are tied tight by “state of emergency”, and democracy is millions of mile far away.
5. This regime talked about neutrality. And it’s this regime, who has 2001-06 Communication Minister Nazmul Huda in jail with is wife and 1996-01 Communication Minister Anwar Hussain Manju slipped off DUDOK, Task Force, at the “naker doga” of Airport Customs. Now please don’t say, this regime didn’t know that Manju was fleeing.
6. This regime talked about “justice for all”. And it’s this regime, which is about to forget about corruption charges on some of its advisers. It’s this regime which uses the Justice Department as a tool of political illegitimate game, to send Tarique or, Koko or, Selim to remand whenever their political will requires such thing.
All the things this regime have talked about, have very specific & crudely contradictory examples.
Then now you should answer, why people will support this regime ignoring all these facts. Why they will be convinced that this regime is better than political governments of last “dark” 17 years?
January 13, 2008 at 2:20 pm
CTG is not a political institute, neither they’re here to build the foundation of their future in political arena. The appearance of this government was just a message to our derailed life, finger pointing to our helplessness and a beam of hope to our faded dream. This is up to us to adopt the substance of the message and start building the foundation of a healthy life. Before accusing the government we need to look deep into our brain and stomach and ask a simple question, HOW COULD WE LET THIS HAPPEN FOR 36 YEARS?
January 13, 2008 at 3:30 pm
HOW COULD WE LET THIS HAPPEN FOR 36 YEARS?
Oh man! do you want to say that this regime is the best among all we had since liberation?
Dhoroni Dwidha Haw.
Man this is extreme fanaticism, how can a person be this kind of blind to an exploiter & trouble-maker regime like this? I can’t figure it out. By the way do you have any of your relatives in army or adviser’s council or DailyStar-P.Alo’s shushil shomaj?
January 13, 2008 at 3:43 pm
[…] CTG is not a political institute, neither they’re here to build the foundation of their future in political arena […]
Can you please show the decency to let us know that what this CTG really is? One of its chamcha “amla” claimed at court that this CTG should be called as “Interim Government”. But that amla was turned down, because very naturally the court has threw that amla’s appeal out of the court room to the dustbin. Again, one of advisers claimed this regime to be an “temporary interim caretaker government”. But General Moeen corrected this to be the “caretaker government” in the morning of very next day.
Now, here, nobody has claimed this CTG to be a political institute though, you told that “this CTG is not a political institute”.
A big communication gap between this CTG, its supporters (a very few though), its chamcha’s (mostly amlas and some judges), its masterminds (some generals & DA-PA holders) and its mouthpieces have been found. You should recover this communication gap, at least to worth the million-taka postering & TV advertising project of your CTG. According to the reality, identity crisis takes place on a thing only then, when that thing is some kind of illegitimate. This is how our present CTG is.
January 14, 2008 at 8:14 pm
[Am responding to responses to my question in comment #3 above.]
Thank you Jyoti for pointing out Asif’s piece in UV that I admit I had missed somehow. Btw, it’s also at http://dpwriters.wordpress.com/2008/01/13/the-new-way-forward/ in an edited + updated format.
To summarize (and skipping over Asif’s several excellent points about why status quo will not work), Asif suggestions are as follows:
1) Include politicians in CTG.
2) National Accord: Sign a national accord with the political parties to keep some of the existing reform agenda after the election.
3) Constituent Assembly: Elect a constituent assembly with a two year mandate to implement solutions to long-standing issues and implement further reforms agreed to by all the parties. Further strengthen reform and institution building with a much needed legitimacy.
[Difference between a parliament and an assembly suggested in #3, in my understanding would be that the assembly has no executive powers but only the power to create the constitutional and institutional framework for the future. My understanding may differ from Asif’s and others of course.]
If anyone needs to become more depressed about what may happen to our country – just read the earlier portions of Asif’s well-written piece. Our hope is that wiser counsel prevails in the power circles.
So – any comments on Asif’s recommendation? Two types of comments – first, how can the blog world influence what’s happening if we do come up with workable suggestions, and second, what is workable vs. not in Asif’s list of suggestions.
January 15, 2008 at 12:36 pm
Excellent points by Asif Saleh, I beleive these may be workable. My concerns are:
1. Will wiser counsel prevail in the political parties? The political parties probably can come up with a united way to solve this problem. Will they agree to do that? Recently you know that Sheikh Hasina demanded elections by April. My gut feeling is nothing but pure politics behind this demand. I hope and am pretty confidant about national election by this year. Whenever it happens, AL will try to make it as their andoloner foshol and will cite Hasina and Zillur Rahman (he also demanded the same)demnading elections and thats why elections took place, otherwise the military and the CTG would never want elections! makes sense?
2. There were some attempts, failed ones, to get politicians involved, leaving most corrupt ones out in jail (not all). But hey if they had to exclude all corrupt people, some of the reformists in AL and BNP also had to be in jail. Modifications were done to keep some of these corrupt leaders in the field and use their political status to bring reforms. But it failed!! didnt it? Some unwise refirmists got jutapeta and others got dhaoa from our party followers. How will we make sure that even if politicians from both parties get involved in the CTG, they will not be branded as traitors and get dhaoa and jutapeta? AL and BNP know that they can manage to brand reformists as traitors trying to create another 15th august or 1982. This brings to the main point I am trying to make: Our parties refuse to change, its not that they dont understand or very dumbheaded, they just want it all for themselves only.
3. The reason for this attitude is our blind support to one or the other, and those dhaoa and juapeta prove that we can not accept BNP without Khaleda-tarek-coco and AL without hasina-joy. We dont judge these parties by their work, but by their speech. This very undemocratic mindset in us made politicians dare to do and think they are really very powerful. How are we gonna change that?
January 15, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Reply to #21
About your point no. 3
As you have asked the question that “How are we gonna change that?”, I expect an answer from you. Another thing, suppose, we have succeeded to change that attitude of ours. Then, how it will help Bangladesh?
January 15, 2008 at 2:19 pm
To all readers of this post,
I think this regime has exceeded the time to initiate a new wave of change. They are now showing their unquestionable interest to hold the election by this year anyhow. That indicates, this regime has already decided that to whom power will go next. They are now very badly in need of an exit route, which are they thinking about right this moment. Now, I don’t think that any new idea of having things developing will merit enough to be heard by this regime. They know that they are now in no condition to initiate application of any new formula, like they did previously, like “minus 2”, “exile of KZ-SH” etc.
January 20, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Rumi bhai, I respect you as a person, but i think you are being dishonest with some of your arguments (not backed by concrete evidence). It seems that you are stuck within your world view… please try to understand what other people with different viewpoint are thinking and what are the reasons behind that. You only see what you want to see, so please open your eyes.
In my opinion, there are many failures of the caretaker govt, especially price hike of essentials. But compared to our 15 golden years of democracy there is less corruption (corrupt people are getting punished for the first time in the history of bangladesh) and law and order situation is much better.
January 20, 2008 at 5:59 pm
Manush
I did not say anything in the post, I simply posted some image, some fact and some graphic presentation of some data. Its the job of the readers to come to a conclusion whatever way they want to.
Before giving your `opinion` and accusing someone of dishonesty, I expected some data and fact that will counter the facts presented by me.
BTW, which part is dishonest here? Can you point your finger please? Is corruption perception index graph wrong? In inflation data wrong? Is the export growth data false? Or the images of the hanging corpses in Rangs bhaban are fabricated?
January 21, 2008 at 1:45 am
Again i don’t want to fight with you, but here goes…
1. You just did not post any random images, you posted them to support your conclusion… There were definitely some positive images that you could have posted like the army helping cyclone victims but you ignored them.
2. I accused you of seeing only the things that you want to see. There is always another side to the story… For example CPI (corruption perception index) has remained steady compared to last year, but bangladesh is not the most corrupt country in the world anymore (17th most corrupt country). I think the CPI score for 2008 will improve. Besides, I think CPI score does not mean much because CPI score in 2006 was better than that of 2002, so corruption in bangladesh decreased during the last BNP regime… this does not make sense!
3. the famous picture of the army getting kicked by a student, did you the student with the stick on the right? Do you think he is a model student… I guess that student did what you want to… As a bangladesh i am not proud of that picture, this is not 1971.
4. Most of the politicians who are in jail have been punish by our justice system… I guess you don’t have any faith in our justice system anymore, these judges were recruited during BNP and AL era…
5. regarding the picture of the guy hanging from ceiling, I remember that police official of that thana were reprimanded after that picture came into limelight. Besides, that one year old picture is used by BNP propaganda machine to show that tareq Zia is being tortured. I can’t believe that you are not condemning this propaganda… You actually seem quite sympathetic.
6. Regarding the guy who is beating the BNP leader with a shoe: how do you know he is a grassroot leader and not a hired goon? You don’t, Nobody knows? Do you think any civil person would do these kind of act… just because this incident fits your world view, you are promoting this picture with your own view.
I am just asking you to be a little balanced with your view 🙂
January 21, 2008 at 10:14 am
Actually manush, I looked at the same article and thought that it was a pro-military governemnt piece. You see, Rumi bhai did not mention Tasneem Khalil being picked up in the middle of the night and being tortured at a DGFI holding cell, or Jahangir Alam Akash being picked up by RAB and having both his legs damaged, or the offices of bdnews24 being sacked and vandalized, and the journalists beaten, by the security forces.
Rumi bhai only showed one picture of a hand hanging from Rangs bhabn, he did not mention the pleas and cries of the relatives of the workers who crowded around the bhaban for days and weeks and begged anyone who passed by to save their loved ones from being slowly crushed to death. Meanwhile, Fakhruddin and Moeen went to Hajj.
Rumi bhai did not mention the horrible mismanagement of post-SIDR efforts, the lack of any empathy on part of the government for the suffering of the common people, the utter mismanagement which has left Bangladeshi envoys going around the world now begging for food, and open to blackmail by the Indian government.
Rumi bhai has not mentioned the decreasing amount of freight traffic being carried by Chittagong Port relatively each month, and the absence of rural projects like food for work and road construction in our villages that has left the rural economy virtually receding and promises to make a monga-like situation arise in the whole of Bangladesh.
So you see, manush, this looks like a pro-military government piece to me. Less emoticons and more balance, please.
January 21, 2008 at 2:14 pm
reply to Manush with due respect.
Dear Manush, I will go according to points those you have numbered.
Reply to #1 : Hey, Rumi Bhai’s site takes much time to get loaded. You are looking for good things? I will recommend Prothom Alo & Daily Star sites for you. Those I guess will be familiar for you, will suit your demand. They knew very well to show the bad side of a good thing in last 15 years. But in January of the last year, the reflected light ray from polished military boots has fallen on their eyes so severely, that they now only can see good things. Simple optical-problem you know, to be fixed by next political government.
Reply to #2 : Whom you are praising with your life, I mean this regime, it itself didn’t care about what CPI told, what CPI ate & what CPI drunk. So why are you so bothered with CPI?
Reply to #3 : I leave this point to be answered by Rumi Bhai or Tacit or Bitterboy.
Reply to #4 : Its not like that these judges would not been appointed if there were Manush era or Xanthis era or Rumi Era. Judges came to job because it is the system, it’s the custom. You were talking about our faith. We believe: at gunpoint, a judge, a journalist, a businessman, a teacher, a politician, or even you, all are same. All will say what gunner will ask to say.
Reply to #5 : According to my information, the guy who did this whole rubbish, is now in Mohammadpur Thana. Don’t get confused, the guy is not there as jailed, he is a cop there. By the way, Mohammadpur thana is one of BD’s accursed thanas, where the OC is Shibli Noman, one of major alleged plotters of Janakantho reporter Shamsur Rahman’s murder case in 1997.
Reply to #6 : Do you think that BNP hired goons to beat Gen. Mahboob that day and this regime spared that goon? You talked about view. Most important thing is what is the view of the guy who was beating. His view is our view, his view is Bangladesh’s view, that, “Don’t spare a single turncoat”.
January 24, 2008 at 12:51 pm
We can argue for the sake of argument, which will not mean anything of substance. The CTG can not be held responsible for death in the Rangs, Rajuk did the implementation of the decision of bringing down that illegal structure which was a RIGHT decision of the CTG, but the way it was done by rajuk may be not the best way.. that can be explored and responsible ones can be found and punished. Its quite pathetic to fault CTG for everything happening there. More buildings collapsed and more ones burned alive in bangladesh. There are rules as to how a building should be demolished and whether a garment factory should have exit stairs for fire escape. If these rules are not followed then there should be punishment.. this regulation is not followed and when disaster happens people die. I can not blame the politicians for burned victims in a garment factory, likewise I will not blame CTG for Rangs disaster. It is the one who did not follow the specific regulation to be held responsible for.
Our violent nature has been always there against our political rivals. Again, blaming CTG for jutapeta doesnt hold any ground, I can put thousands of images where AL-BNP doing bondukjudhdho and rickshawala died miserably in their crossfire, come on it is our undemocratic violent nature of protest, but by looking at those images in this post, first thing comes to mind is probably the CTG is responsible for this guy’s anger. NO, it is our so called democratic mindset responsible. We have a long way to go and be civilized as nation.
Lets talk about that
January 24, 2008 at 1:07 pm
‘None’
I can tell that your IQ is also ‘None’. Otherwise how you fail to see such big difference between the two? There is a major difference between collapse or fire in garments factories and Rangs disaster. In those garments collapse cases, the government did not decide to start breaking the roof or put the building in fire. But the destruction of Rangs was a major decision from the highest level of the government. A government’s responsibility does not end in taking decision, it is also their job to ensure that the job is finished properly. In your IQ less logic, govt can say that we have decided to lower the price of rice. We have done our job. Its not our job to see whether the prices are down or not.
January 24, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Yes it is their job, but physically doing the job is responsibility of Rajuk, it was in the newspaper that proper inspection was not done before breaking the walls of Rangs, thats what I am saying, there was the fault. Officials of Rajuk should be punished for this. The government never made any instructions as to how the building should be demolished with or without people inside it, it is the job of Rajuk, a whole several crore taka worth work force is there for the job.
Price of rice on the other hand: follow up and see why it is not going down is something they are doing. Unlike Rajuk, it is difficult to find out who or what is responsible for rice price. There are many businessmen who hoard and stock foodstuff, which are not under govt. control or regulation. You are hopefully not saying that Moen and Fakruddin decided to keep the poor of bangladesh starve till they die. It is very hard to control. Specially when everything was politicised all these years, businessmen also took one side or other, which may very well add to this complexity.
About my IQ, not sure how much, more importantly, I think everyone can express his opinion, please try to be civil next time, this is my request, please?
January 24, 2008 at 4:51 pm
Reply to Comment # 29
[…] The CTG can not be held responsible for death in the Rangs, Rajuk did the implementation of the decision of bringing down that illegal structure which was a RIGHT decision of the CTG […]
[…] Its quite pathetic to fault CTG for everything happening there […]
Man! where were you when our Generals were on restless reconnoiter with hurricane-lamps in search of new advisers?
Man! you could be a pristine replacement of Bar. Moinul Hussain for sure!
[…] I can not blame the politicians for burned victims in a garment factory, likewise I will not blame CTG for Rangs disaster […]
What are you talking about? For sure you can’t blame politicians for burnings or stampedes inside Garments. But why you won’t blame CTG for collapse of Rangs Bhaban? Did it collapse for its construction errors? It has collapsed for the Stone Age procedure of demolition, which was been ordered, applied, supervised & regulated by this regime. Its not like there was tremendous hurry needed to demolish Rangs Bhaban. Rangs Bhaban was not escaping anywhere. But it was stupidity and lack of supervision which led the building to collapse and lot of people to die. This responsibility goes to no politician, no “Boideshik” or “Oshubho” shokti, this goes to our your beloved CTG. I think no further argument “for sake of argument” is needed.
Reply to Comment # 31
[…] The government never made any instructions as to how the building should be demolished with or without people inside it, it is the job of Rajuk, a whole several crore taka worth work force is there for the job. […]
With dues respect, RAJUK is neither an NGO nor an organization led by the Government of Bermuda. RAJUK is fully a part of present CTG. If anything goes wrong with RAJUK, thats unquestionably goes to Rajuk’s official superrior, this CTG too. RAJUK’s responsibility is directly the responsibility of the corresponding ministry , which is chaired by one of 11 members of the CTG council. How this CTG can escape responsibility of RAJUK as well as erred and accursed Demolition of RANGS Bhaban?
[…] it is difficult to find out who or what is responsible for rice price. There are many businessmen who hoard and stock foodstuff, which are not under govt. control or regulation […]
Gurutor Oporadh Domon Jatiyo Shomonnoy Committee. This committee has been formed immediately after this CTG appeared. This is virtually chaired by Gen. Matin and in real ruled by Gen. Mashud. Structure of this committee sounds like no force in Bangladesh can challenge ability of this one. So, what they are doing? Why ain’t they being able to get a single piece of those wealthy “Mojud-der”s?
[…] It is very hard to control. Specially when everything was politicised all these years, businessmen also took one side or other, which may very well add to this complexity […]
hmmm… Bar. Moinul again…
May 12, 2008 at 11:25 am
Mr. Rumi I think you are not clear to yourself or you are trying to forget the situation before this govt. came into action. Its true that this govt. have done some wrong but you cant overlook thir commitments. In economy, the main problem was & is sindicate. Natural facts cant be overlooked here. High price of rice have surely encouraged other producers, as it is their general tendency. I think the problem is this govt. have shown a lot of courage. Some wrong decision cant flash there overall success out.
February 25, 2010 at 11:12 am
Fine, you look like observe finally.
one) how hasina and ershad vhai vhai
two) how ershad has so much money and power, and how he got those?
three) in between 2001 til 2006 how hasina and gang looted the daily life style of ordinary citizen?
four) we have to break the system of letting ill educated people died without knowing what is rights … the people in DC-TNO-THANA OC and political dalal with the cabinet hukum dhamak looting this soft hearts.
Millat Uz zaman
April 11, 2011 at 1:55 pm
[…] […]
March 19, 2012 at 12:29 pm
are you retarded??? we had “stability” and “unprecedented growth” before 1/11???? What we had before 1/11 was a bunch of corrupt politicians gobbling up all of the taxpayer’s moneys and the country’s wealth and distributing them amongst their party members and clans…
What happened during this caretaker govt was that these illiterate, power hungry, retarded excuses for politicians were given their due course and sent to jail for their wrong doings… Unfortunately the caretaker govt was too ambitious and couldn’t finish their work and so no we are back to the same old repetition of dirty politics, the usual blame game between BNP and Awami Leage and retarded people like you who think we are all happily in a blissful state right now….
Look around you: Dhaka is the biggest slum of the world, people all over the country live well below the poverty line and the only thing we are winning at is producing babies faster than you can spell your own name…
Of course foreign aide went down during the whole 1/11 era because the US and the other big foreign powers would never want something good to come about in this area. They would always want their puppets in disguise of BNP and awami league to be in power so they can control the strings of the country indefinitely. Go ahead, read the news, BNP took some 50 crore from ISI and I am not saying Awami League is any better either….
It’s for individuals like you that good things never come to fruition… Open your eyes, clean your ears and for once try to constructive in your criticism…
May 15, 2013 at 7:26 am
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