Mr Mukul Bose changed his mind and has just declared that there would be no council and election participation without Sheikh Hasina. However only a couple of weeks ago, Mr Bose told exactly the opposite. Critiques may attribute his sudden change in mind to an unwanted incident that took place in front of Awami League office last week.
On a separate occassion, the first political iftar party of this season took place in Dhaka yesterday. Observers waited for this event and the media hype was quite a thing about Mr Mannan Bhuiyan’s Iftar party cum political showdown. It, now looks like that the mountains have delivered a mouse and despite some newspapers attempts to present it as the political moment of the century, we failed to see one single new face or single new direction. There were the same corrupt, limelight craving talkative turncoats chanting slogan for mannan Bhai.
Good luck Bangladesh.
In the Middle of Nowhere 
September 15, 2007 at 7:18 pm
This interesting tidbit from the New Age coverage of the Bhuiyan meeting:
That I think pretty much says it all. The former state minister will fit in nicely with the “anti-corruption” minded military government. No doubt, if he had lived in an earlier time, Mr. Chowdhury would have heartily approved the “swimming” of witches too.
September 15, 2007 at 7:44 pm
How much does it cost to throw an iftaar party around?
In 1999 a Sonargaon iftaar box cost 150 taka. Let’s say with inflation and all, this convention centre iftaar pack now equals what Sonargaon gave back then. They were hoping for 200 people. So that’s 30,000 taka just on food.
Where did Mr Bhuyian get the money from?
September 15, 2007 at 8:22 pm
Volumes has been written by some news papers to stick dirt & paint a derogate sense of KZ (and her family) to her supporters. A trial test of lifting ban was crafted to taste the ‘food’ they (present power house) have been cooking. Still need more recipes. Some of these news papers may look for new recipes, like UFO, although old, but still popular in English tabloid.
A proper rating of BD news papers regarding their news authenticty would be a great service to BD poltics.
September 16, 2007 at 1:06 am
Holy Cow, Rumi bhai! Did you just call these politicians corrupt without any proof or evidence? Apnakeo ki CTG-r bhute pailo naki? 🙂
On a separate note, Rumi bhai, I am really enjoying the role of the sole dissenter in your blog. I hope you don’t mind. Noile torko jome na to!
September 16, 2007 at 4:34 am
Let’s be fair to Mannan Bhuiyan, He’s probably the most well-funded politician in our country at this point, and there are a plethora of things more sinister about his current activities than his source of income.
I do wonder about the motives of two of the people in Bhuiyan’s camp. Major (ret.) Hafiz, I know, is naturally ambitious and believed that his abilities should have obtained him a much more important ministry (he wanted Home) than was given to him. But still, does that fully explain his actions?
The other anamoly is Ebadur Rahman Chowdhury. He always came about as a perfect gentleman, a polished lawyer from rural Bangladesh, the few times I met him. I understand that having to resign from the Council of Ministers is never a happy process. Yet still, his venom surprises me. Probably another blame we can lay down at the feet of Naser Rahman.
September 16, 2007 at 5:06 am
And just as expected Daily Star became mouth piece for turncoat and morally corrupts like Mannan Bhuiyan. While Mannan Bhuiyan ifter party was complete flop with only few opportunist showed up hoping for “mula”, Daily Star trying to prop up Mannan opportunist venture with its “Bhuiyan get boost…..” headline. But for some people it will take pair of truth glass to see YELLOW written all over Daily Star agenda.
September 16, 2007 at 5:27 am
Asif
Tomar comment gulo i khali wordpress block kore dey. Bujhte parlam na eta keno hosse. Machine o mone hoy ekhon jono manush er pokhkhe chole eshechhe. 🙂
September 16, 2007 at 7:24 am
Now who is leading the BNP(KZ)- Delwar or Hannan? Hope NOT to see another divide there!
On a more relevant note, I find it very amusing to see how WE the supporters flip-flop with the party leaders!
This Mannan Bhuiya was our hero when he took stand against LDP! Who would have called him corrupt before this?
Anyone stays with OUR leader is honest, and whoever speaks against… is the corrupt!
It happened in AL as well with Kamal Hossain, Kader Siddiki… it happened before in BNP with B Chowdhury… it will happen again!
Really, WE supporters rock!
God save the Queens (coz, no one else will)!
September 16, 2007 at 12:29 pm
Shuvro Sajal
“This Mannan Bhuiya was our hero “…
What did you mean by Our? If he was your hero, you may tell ‘my hero’. Who else was with you and where/when did they tell you that Mannan was their hero?
“Anyone stays with OUR leader is honest, and whoever speaks against… is the corrupt!”
What a cheap cheap shot. What you are trying to say here?
The fact is that two leaders who you hate most are in jail. Now burden of proof is on the shoulder of those who put them to jail and also who are jumping in joy at this.
And when this happens, its also worth seeing the record of those who are preaching all the honesty stuff.
It is simply a matter of burden of proof and transparency/ accountability of the rulers.
Or you don’t believe in the accountability of the rulers or in burden of proof on the accuser?
And didn’t we hear from you folks that criticism is part of democracy and denounce NOT the person who critcize BUT the wrongdoing that is being criticized?
Or your standard changes depending on who is in the government?
September 16, 2007 at 4:42 pm
Arre, ami aar Shuvro-u to dissent korsi. Ekhon dekhi Rumi bhai’er dissenter-rao factionalised! 🙂
Seriously though, I don’t know how much of it is media beat-up, but the mainstream BNP also seems to be factionalised.
What will the break-up of centre-right will mean for our politics?
Will a King’s Party be able to win against a resurgent AL in a free election? If not, then will we see another round of andolon?
And if AL does win, what will happen to conservative politics? Just like Naya Diganta has become the standard-bearer of the right, will we see an Islamist opposition?
Who will lead that?
Man, my brain is beginning to hurt, and it is only Monday morning. Many, many hours till iftaar.:(
September 16, 2007 at 6:32 pm
Jyoti
Your previous wish list was Awami league could be considered to go to power to pave exit route for this interim entity. But that is what Awami league wanted all along -by hook or crook get in to power. Only difference is instead of using logi boitha Awami league will be hunting using gun on interim entity shoulder. And the hunted will be nationalistic political force. And to give it extra twist “divide and conquer” formula is in full swing. Recent over jealous media story that there is further friction between Hannan Shah and Delwar seems extension of that anti nationalistic agenda. In fact that is in wish list of that anti nationalistic agenda.
So far Awami leaning sushils, columnist and net soldiers have signed up for that anti nationalistic agenda. But it would not be any surprise if and when mainstream Awami league jump in to claim victory.
September 16, 2007 at 6:34 pm
You think the mornings are bad, try thinking up of a lucid comment after stuffing yourself for Iftar.
I don’t think the center-right is really going to collapse. Our retarded military government can’t focus on two things at once. Until before the DU incident, the military government was focussing on AL, leading to impassionate editorials in Daily Star and Prothom Alo to lock up Khaleda Zia. Now that she’s behind bars, the military government is trying to co-opt as much of BNP as possible. Then something else will happen, Amu will rush back from Singapore and it’ll be the AL’s turn in the spotlight.
I’ve personally just taken it for granted that there will be not one, but two King’s Parties, splinter groups of both BNP and AL. The better the rebel leaders perform now, the better will be their chances to get a cushy ministry when the national unity government is formed, and the greater will be the assistance the military will give them to win the next round of elections.
September 16, 2007 at 6:37 pm
[Statement from BNP General Secretary Delwar Hossain, Sep 16th, 2007]
The BNP secretary general denied reports that there was a brewing feud between him and the party chairperson’s adviser ASM Hannan Shah. ‘There is no feud, no misunderstanding between us. Hannan Shah has a lot of contribution to the party. The chairperson can designate anybody any position.’
http://www.newagebd.com/front.html#20
September 16, 2007 at 8:33 pm
Rumi on #9:
I will not use the “cheap shot” again to clarify who were the supporters of Mannan Bhuiya before 1/11! Coz, if there were no supporters of Mannan before 1/11, then the BNP was definitely in split before 1/11, and for that matter can’t complain now.
Is it really hard to find someone who blindly supported B Chowdhury during last election (for his contribution with Shabash Bangladesh) and then after the quit, blindly hated him? Give me a break!
Evil politics and evil army are equally harmful for the country- and the ideal position for the country is to balance the two to remain in the middle– a good politics and army under them.
Now, when the bad politics traps us, army comes to rescue us (Zia, Ershad, Moeen… sorry if you have problem with putting these name sequentially). Irony is, and then Army tries to take us to their evil end with autocracy! Then, again, politicians come for the rescue (Mujib, Khaleda-Hasina during 90s). However, politicians won’t keep us in the middle and will try to take us towards their evil end!
The trick is to keep Bangladesh in the middle. So you may have to speak against Army one day, and against the evil politicians the other day. If this is what you call “changing standard”, then be it.
Mamun-Tareq-Coco is honest (ref: your comment in your earlier post), and Mannan bhyia is (now) dishonest… these type of double standard will weaken the voice against both evils.
Let’s say, Mamun and Mannan are both dishonest, and if the army fails to treat them equally, army is dishonest too!
September 16, 2007 at 8:58 pm
Jyoti bhai,
I once said on Shadakalo’s blog and now I’m saying it again:
AL was a party that slowly became a family plus a few.
BNP was an individual trying to become a party that became a family.
We have a tradition in Leftist politics that sort of always boosts centre-left up. We have little history of Rightist politics: we have a tradition of Rightist bluster, hot air, wrong-headed coalitions (aka Jamaat), phony nationalism and crony capitalism instead of real commitment to the nation and capitalism (which probably died with Zia). Don’t believe me? Look at how your predictions became a “wishlist” on this very thread!
This isn’t the stuff of politics and coalition-building, but the stuff of paranoia, xenophobia and negative ideologies. Eishob diye centre-right banaben ki kore? BNP had a great chance in 2001 and they did not capitalise on it. The lack of a viable, non-Islamist centre right media in BD is proof of that.
September 16, 2007 at 9:45 pm
AsifY #14:
Well articulation of fact (read fate).
Historically (read ironically) far-left has the “bondhu tumi- shotru tumi” relation with centre-left; as was between far-right and centre-right.
Coz, they understand the pulse of each other, and only far-left can replace centre-left, and far-right can replace centre-right silently!
Since far-left is a known enemy for centre right, the same way far-right is for centre-left, knowingly they have travelled together many a times (communist with BNP and jamat with AL).
Now for AL, the far-left has more leaders than supporters (this is what happen when sons of capitalists try to create communism… look at the fathers of these communist leaders!)
For BNP as well, far-right really doesn’t have any grass-root support (how many seats they won without BNP tie?).
So, if not a coup, then the remaining option for “far” is to become the “centre”! The what?
Historically, all martial law came as a divine light for the far-right!
[Zia: brought constitutional amendment that says, the freedom fighters-even non-Muslims (!) freed the country with “absolute trust and faith in Almighty Allah”…; Golam Azam was allowed to come back in July 1978 with a Pakistani passport; rehabilitated Shah Azizur Rahman!
Ershad: Islam as national religion! Not to mentions running to peer’s dorgah every time he used to see him in dream!
Moeen: well, isn’t this the government whose advisor said that Jamati islam is not corrupt and they are still enjoying the immunity?”]
September 16, 2007 at 10:16 pm
okay, i’ll return to this far-centre/left-right business when i’ve had some food.
and if tacit is right, then maybe i’ll still not understand who’s whose friend, so maybe i’ll have to wait a bit longer.
September 17, 2007 at 5:55 am
bhai amin, you think awamis are behind this susheel regime. folks at salam dhaka seem to gear up for a susheel regime vs awami fight. one of you has to be wrong.
now, my wishlist is to have a government that represents both the so called ‘nationalists’ and ‘awamis’. you can call awami supporters indian agents all you want, but they number 40% plus of voters. and they can call you or other BNP-supporters razakar all they want, but you are part of another 40-45% of voters.
and tacit, you’re right, after iftaar the brain turns to even bigger mush, until you have that mishti cha.:)
September 17, 2007 at 6:14 am
I second #17. This military government is not a conspiracy by Hawa Bhaban to come to power in Bangladesh by forcibly dismantling the AL. Nor is it a superbly diabolical ploy by Awami League to shatter BNP and ensure AL’s hold on power for the next decade or so. It’s a military government, that will try to both shatter the BNP and dismantle AL, but for their own gains, not anyone else’s.
The military government has already tried the minus two strategy and failed, although not because of any lack of efforts in their part. What is there to say that they won’t try to emulate Musharraf in other areas as well, in one hand using a docile far-right party to play the role of pliant opposition, on the other hand selling themselves to Bangladesh’s civil society and the West as the bulwark against religious fundamentalism in Bangladesh.
September 17, 2007 at 6:40 am
While I third on #17, let me add that the so called “shushils” are not happy with the army as well.
Firstly because, many of them were not given the advisor’s posts, and secondly, army is not listening to them!
They have just become “chagoler tin number baccha” if you know what I mean!
September 17, 2007 at 8:00 am
Shuvro Sajal
You are desparately putting words in my mouth which I mever said.
Where did I say Mamun-Tareq-koko are honest?
My point is and was always in favor of proving the corruption charges in transpaent trial. So far government has failed to do that in case of Mamun after a record 62 days of remand. And Tareq is in custody now for almost six months without any charge sheet or official charge. I demand specific reasonable charges be pressed against him ASAP.
And my point is Mannan gong is free to do politics (even using Microphone during emergency) while they were part of the same alleged corrupt government and similar “media” reports are available against them.
Its simply a matter of double standard, not on my part, but on this governments part.
So far in our current state, media reports are the standard of measuring someones corruption. Most politicians and leaders are now in custody without any specific charge.
My question was, if media report is the standard of prejudgement, how Mannan Bhuiyan remains out of bar?
And shuvro, you are speaking in my blog and you have to tell me who you are accusing of being blind supporter, loving and hating B chowdhury before and after his expulsion?
Next time, if you accuse someone, please be more specific with names and evidences.
September 17, 2007 at 2:40 pm
While Rumi bhai’s demands for due process are entirely reasonable, given the way the military government has handled themselves in the last few months, especially the last one month or so, I’m going to have to say that my stand is no conviction or punishment meted out under this government should have any validity in the future.
I realize this will draw indignant howls from many people who are counting the days until corruption charges are proven against some particular politicians they love to hate. But I must reaffirm my stand. There is now proof, from Tasneem Khalil, and the testimonies given by the professors of DU and RU at court, that this government indulges in torture during remand. Knowing, as we do this piece of information, it will be rank hypocrisy in our part if we decry the treatment meted out to those whom we politically support, and gloat over the conviction charges against those whom we politically oppose. There is only one principled stance that makes sense, and that is the annulment of all judgments and verdicts handed out during this government.
September 17, 2007 at 2:57 pm
#22 tacit
Very good point.
Somewhat unintentionally I blogged on the ordeal of Mamun. Not because I loved his political base or I know him or I am related to him. But because nobody else will write about his ordeal.
This man went through a record 62 days of remand, ( You can call 62 days of hell) and still all they can come up with a doctored firearm case!
I guess human rights is only for humen, i.e. if you are an ethnic minority, geneder minority or you belong to certain political ideology. Either Mamun is ot a humna or for some unclear reason human rights is not applicable to him.
But to be fair Mamun alone has contributed more to our economy, created more jobs than combined of 10 civil society leaders.
And still its a crime Not to use the word thug synonymously with Mamun.
September 17, 2007 at 6:24 pm
Rumi #21:
I thought blog is not a personal diary, rather a common place to share expressions (otherwise RSS wouldn’t collect news from it)… it’s more like “in the middle of” public domain and personal journal. But when you say that “you are speaking in MY BLOG, and you have to tell”… well, no further comment… let’s just take a deep breath …
I agree though with most of your comments on # 21. While I disagree (#23) that the government couldn’t find serious charges against them, I agree that due process is required for all.
Then what would be the reason for government not making official charges against them?
I think it’s the “cross-fire” attitude. Remember how insanely same press release used to come after each event? First I thought the RAB (read army, coz non-army members of RAB were just stooges) is idiot and don’t know how to create new and believable stories! Well, then I found it was actually intentional… to kill the snak (read the person who died) without breaking the stick (read staying clear under law). Also, it used to send message of fear to potential “miscreants”. The message is, I know you always get away with the current system of law… so this is your solution”.
Similar attitude is being given to these big shot detainees. Why would they put such charge against Moudud (keeping only a bottle of wine in the fridge!)? Simple, they must have telling Moudud something like this “you think you have a law firm to keep all your big messes cleared, well, we know you will get away with law, so you will be in months’ of remand to help investigate how the wine bottle came in your fridge, and think of this as the actual punishment, not investigation! And btw, thanks for being supportive to cross-fire… it was an eye-opener”.
It’s the same politics of fear RAB used!
I do not support any of these two… the nation is tired of witnessing these unacceptable “means” to justify so-called good “ends”. But this is not to say that the CTG really couldn’t prove anything against them! Its like the RAB… it didn’t want to!
September 17, 2007 at 8:47 pm
This is where our reasoning gets lost, Shuvro.
So you believe govt has all the evidence and cases against Mamun or Tareq or everyone else? And you are saying that govt is not presenting them because it is legally useless pressing charges against them????
Hashbo na kadbo?
This is why they fabricated a false firearm case against Mamun?
I rest my case here friend.
You are patriot no doubt. we all are. But I have to say, you are way too disconnected from the ground reality.
September 17, 2007 at 10:10 pm
Did I say CTG have proof or was it between the lines! All I said is, this is how army runs business, this is how they ran RAB!
It will be easy to understand if we corelate this with RAB. Both avoided due process to make it short-cut… what ever their respective goals were!
We may call it their failure or arrogance (for having the brain in the foot), but army will call this a strategy!
Its not far from the ground reality, as it sounds. You must know a handful of people in the army (everyone knows… coz they are citizens of BD, and relatives of someone)… ask some of them. They are the people cozing this “ground reality”, right?
As in my earlier post, can’t I support the due process, if I believe that Mamun is a corrupt person? Then I rest my case as well 😀
Good discussion btw.
September 17, 2007 at 10:29 pm
Yes excellent discussion! I think more than anything tacit’s excellent, excellent point is one of the top reasons against the use of torture by a state. No matter where we stand in politics, let’s oppose this disgusting trend in our government!
September 17, 2007 at 11:31 pm
One of the prominent figures in West commented that army entered where GOVT. failed. I guessed
that didn’t suit for his own hemisphere and definitely directed at us. Knowing what we don’t know yet (Or at least what hasn’t been revealed here) regards RAB/Army’s quick fix would definitely help us to reasonate the occurings of Valkibagi, Tamasa and Chanakyaism in our beloved motherland. The following is just another effort by the same patriot, humanitarian among many traitors and savages of CTG, SHUSHIL i.e. so-called secular hybrids,
http://www.dailynayadiganta.com/fullnews.asp?News_ID=42898&sec=4
September 18, 2007 at 4:53 am
Just to throw into the mix of why the regime might not be bringing “real” charges against some big wigs – any real charges will be harder to unwind if the time comes to cut a deal with any of these folks. For example, when Gen M… requires a good legal hand to help him with the retrospective amendments to the constitution, who else will be better than Mr Moudud Ahmed? A trumped up charge of having some booze can be thrown out by a court when that day arrives.
You can weave similar stories with any of the high profile detainees. Whom you believe to be guilty has as much to do with your own prejudices as it does with any actual crime. And whom the courts will find guilty of what depends on the regime’s agenda.
Meanwhile, here’s a prediction – the next volume of Moudud’s memoir will be out sometime in 2009, when he’ll be a leading member of the government of honest people.
September 18, 2007 at 7:06 am
I see a trend following Mukul’s U-turn.
Shamasuzaman Dudu, ex JCD president who lost to Sultan Mansur, candidate of all party combination in Ducsu elction by only dozens of vote, was initially with Mannan bhuiyan. Just yesterday, he met Kh Delwar with floral wreaths to declare his return to the old fort. Don’t know why Dudu did this, but it looks like that Mannan’s carrot is rapidly losing its charm.
September 18, 2007 at 8:39 am
There is a new list prepared by infamous national committee of anti corruption aka operation center for sushil agenda. This time around though it will target mostly politicians, at least that much indicated. Going by example this interim entity set so far, it’s no doubt this new list will be another tool of coercion and further isolate nationalistic political forces. A mid level honcho from root sponsor of this interim entry supposes to arrive in Dhaka today. He will review result achieved so far from project “secular” and perhaps approval for the next list. We may not see much action on new list until Ramadan is over but when action starts it will mark second phase of sushil’s tactical agenda. Which is only fraction of bigger game described in
http://www.dailynayadiganta.com/fullnews.asp?News_ID=42898&sec=4
September 18, 2007 at 10:33 pm
[In response to Jyoti in #18]
That’s where you are wrong in your assumption. I said “Awami leaning sushils” – that does not mean Awami league is behind this shushil sponsored interim entity. Although Hasina and Awami league leadership claimed interim entity was result of their logi boitha tandob aka andolon. Now for sake of better understanding lets dig little deeper on where sushils and Awami league support each other and where they differ.
Well its no secret sushils who mostly preach so called secular ideology thought Awami League was their “boto brikkho” and/or political platform. But enjoying 40% (according to your estimate) support from majority Muslim population, Awami league could not and would not completely lend itself to secular ideology and agenda.
But in most part both sushils and Awami league supported each other cause. Then came 9/11 and indiscriminate bashing of Muslims worldwide. New uni polar power projection era based on religious label infused new ambition among sushils. So they ventured into leveraging on new geo political reality and perhaps reach the goal of state power which they could not get being lackey to Awami league for 30 some years and more…. That’s when someone else became sushil “boto brikkho”. Who that is I would leave that to your imagination.
But sushil agenda of secular ideology was never too far from Awami League one. Specially, when it comes to common enemy – nationalist political parties. Being betrayed by age old sushil partner Awami league is agitated and angry. But then again both see opportunity to score points from distress of their common enemy. And that’s where and why age old Awami leaning sushils signed up for cheering role (among others) in BNP division.
I am not sure what other blog is talking but sushil-Awami league fight is bit early for current time. There may will be that fight in future but it will depend on how tame nationalistic parties become. If current sushil scheme of eliminating nationalists succeeds then Awami league and sushil will play to win the “most secular” title. Stay tuned…..
September 18, 2007 at 10:40 pm
oh Jyoti..
Borrowing some one else tone to voice your thoughts is clever but not at all decent. So rather than hiding behind “they” you should come out with your own word. Let people know your opinion…specially when you want to label people.
September 19, 2007 at 2:32 am
M Amin(33),
You’ve called Asif Saleh and others who were protesting BNP’s attempt to rig the last election ‘Indian agents’ or something similar – internet doesn’t allow people to forget. And many supporters of the last government do so. Similarly, many AL supporters regularly call people who support a ‘jatiyotabadi’ viewpoint razakars or worse.
I don’t do either, and I am not going to start now.
AL’s 40% support is not my ‘estimate’. That’s what it won in 2001 election. Here’s the data:
http://elive.matamat.com/index.php
It also shows BNP (including the allies) got 43%.
My wishlist is a government that governs for both AL and BNP supporters. My opinion is that both sides failed to do this over the past 16 years, and the current government is not doing much better. I also think that the last BNP government was an abysmal failure when it came to projecting its ideology. I’ve argued this quite consistently in this blog, at UV and elsewhere.
I don’t believe in name calling, and I don’t play shouting matches in blogs. So, respectfully, please don’t teach me lessons in decency.
September 19, 2007 at 3:48 pm
[Joyti said]
[I]You’ve called Asif Saleh and others who were protesting BNP’s attempt to rig the last election ‘Indian agents’ or something similar – internet doesn’t allow people to forget.] [/I]
So now burden of proof on you to show where I have called someone “indian agent” on be half of BNP? If you can not then its your credibility will be on line
Now read exchanges in these threads.
http://www.drishtipat.org/blog/2007/01/25/camouflage-efforts/
[I said]
[I]It’s not what I have said give you indian sidekick status but its how you put your passionate advocacy awards you that achievement. Remember the line Bangladesh would prosper from shining India gravy train? Remember how indian power company seems better on your logic.
http://www.drishtipat.org/blog/2007/01/25/camouflage-efforts/
[/I]
So far, Asif was not able to provide any proof for his twisting accusation (ex. Iajuddin and so on). And I doubt you would be able to comeup with anything on yours either.
As I said before, gestapo uttered same lines of lie and deception over and again in effort to put label of truth and I am sorry to see you decended to that dirty tactics.
But at the end either I or someone else will call sheep a black one, specially when a wolf hinding in sheep skin.
I am no number cruncher so I can not tell if mata[who] is actually who and how much credible. Besides that point I don’t disagree that BNP made some collasal mistake in different things. One I can tell keeping Mannan Bhuyan as party GS. As for BNP attempted to rig election – may be you can enlighten us with your proof in another day.
September 19, 2007 at 4:37 pm
Amin
This is probably not the best time to involve in this sort of debate. The energy can be better spent against something that is all over us now. Awami league is in jail now, so is BNP and we are and we will always have India all around us.
It is now extremely imprtant to use logic and wake up the sleeping majority who still believe this military backed technocrat-editor government is the ultimate answer.
September 19, 2007 at 7:26 pm
Technocrat-editor government- good one, Rumi Bhai. I’m curious how far our thin-skinned army friends can be pushed before they strike back and pulls another Aziz Supermarket massacre.
September 19, 2007 at 7:34 pm
“my stand is no conviction or punishment meted out under this government should have any validity in the future. ”
the rights of a few individuals trump the greater interest of the nation?
what a howler.
September 19, 2007 at 7:39 pm
tacit,
perhaps there is a discloser in order? Anybody in jail you know? 🙂 Just kidding. However, the way the govt is making a mess in the cases, it wouldn’t be too hard to establish your claim and Pintu, Selim gang will walk scot free claiming innocence. That may serve a flawed justice system well but not Bangladesh.
September 19, 2007 at 8:00 pm
Amin sahib, you win, I have no credibility.
September 19, 2007 at 8:06 pm
Jyoti bhai,
Like me before this, Amin sahib has exposed you for the secret Indian agent you are. Cholen, amra duijon miley ekhon Kolkatay ferot giye oder boli je M. Amin namok ek nationalistic blog commenter er amader cover uray disey. Our pro-India blogging mission has failed. 🙂
September 19, 2007 at 8:45 pm
Dear Riaz, I don’t know about disclosers, but certainly, no disclosures are in order. Here’s the thing though, if Pintu or Selim are as bad as you think they are, shouldn’t it be possible to lock them away under the common law of the land? I mean, as far as I know, no one accuses them of being anything other than muscle for hire. Surely, just going through their income tax returns would be enough to uncover any wrongdoings to put them away, if that’s all you were worried about? No need to impose a state of emergency to achieve that, right?
And ah yes, rights of a few individuals against the greater good. Funny how that argument is never used to buy a few less sedans for our ministers, or cut just a bit of money from the budget of our golf clubs. It’s always about locking up just a few more people, eavesdropping on a particular ethnicity or religious group, or water-boarding someone for just five minutes longer.
As far as I know, we are not allowed to cast aspersions on the piety of fellow believers. Then what gives us the privilege to decide which set of individual rights is more important than another set?
September 19, 2007 at 8:56 pm
AsifY and Jyoti, thwarted again, muhaha. Reflect on your crushing failures well, and next time, stick to opposing Mossad and the CIA.