April 11, 2008
OK, there is an example and even that is also very short-lived. It is rather an extreme exception than a rule. The exception is that Justice B A Siddiqui, the then chief Justice, refused to take oath of Tikka Khan. At that time, the momentum in East Pakistan was totally pro Bengali nationalistic and Justice B A Siddiqui had no option but to go with an overwhelming public sentiment. He, however corrected himself pretty quickly. After March 25 crackdown, he speedily conducted the oath of Tikka Khan.
That was the last apparent act of defiance of a judge against the military. Since then throughout the history of Bangladesh, the judges took it as their inherent virtue to be subservient to the Generals.
Every time Generals create a legal-constitutional mess out of their power lust, they brought in a justice to sweep off their mess. The supply of such military boot-licking judges is never-ending in Bangladesh.
In fact the judges are the only professionals in Bangladesh who never stood up against a military dictator in Bangladesh. From the very beginning of military interventions, politicians, fellow military men, students, professionals like physicians, Engineers, bureaucrats— stood up defiant against dictators at some point or the other. But the only group that remained ever loyal to their General bosses, are the judges. All military men in Bangladesh had t a pet judge. Khaled Mosharaf appointed Sayem, Ershad had Justice Ahsanuddin and looks like now Moeen has Ruhul Amin.
In this backdrop, was it wise to expect any bold judgment about Khaleda Zia’s writ against EC? Especially when EC and Hafizuddins have been singing the same chorus for the last few months that they would accept whatever judgment the high court gives and they would not appeal. Didn’t that CJ reconstituted the writ bench of high court just last month?
Supreme court judges are doing what their predecessors in Bangladesh have done all along. But this gives us the opportunity to unmask two collaborators. One is Kamal Hossain and the other is Shahdin Malik. This Shahdin Maliks try to walk both ways. They will write “nice” op-eds filled with “good” words, but in real life they will collaborate and help the agents of the military. Shahdin Malik is another shrewd collaborator like Shujon’s Bodiul Alam Majumdar who will also try to keep both ends.
And by the way, if you did not read it yet, read it now. It is indeed a great piece by Farhad Mozhar.
April 12, 2008 at 10:12 pm
Rumi Bhai,
You have missed another name, Justice Sattar was the man for Zia.
April 12, 2008 at 10:51 pm
You are very wrong FZ.
You can not compare Justice Sattar to the others by any means. The following lifesketch of Justice Sattar will refute your comment.
Justice Sattar was elected councillor of Calcutta Corporation in 1939 and became Chief Executive Officer of Calcutta City Corporation in 1945. After the partition of India he moved to Dhaka in 1950 and after AK Fazlul Huq floated krishak sramik party in 1953, he joined the party. He was elected a member of the Pakistan constituent assembly in 1955. He was the Minister of Home and Education in the central cabinet of Pakistan in 1957. He joined as justice of Dhaka High Court in 1957 and worked till 68 before becoming Justice of Pakistan Supreme Court in 1968. He was elected Chief Election Commissioner of Pakistan 1969 and the 1970 election that gave Bangabandhu and AL a landslide victiry was conducted by Justice Sattar as CEC.
At Bangabandhu’s request he joined his government as the chairman of Bangladesh Jiban Bima Corporation in 1973, became chairman of Journalist Wage Board and chairman of Bangladesh institute of law and international affairs in 1974. Abdus Sattar was appointed special adviser to the President and Chief Martial Law Administrator in 1975 and ran the Ministry of Law and Parliamentary Affairs. In 1977, he was appointed Vice President of Bangladesh by President Ziaur Rahman.
In this subcontinent when the culture is to induct family member ( Son/daughter/wife) as the heir apparent, Zia took the extra-ordinary step in chosing an experienced civilian leader like Justice Sattar as the first man in line of presidency.
Justice Sattar was a politician first, later he joined Judicial service and went up the ladders to the top because of his outstanding academic career. Five years after retiring from judical service he joined politics. He was Zia’s pick as his heir, not in a sense you wanted to protray.
April 13, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Rumi bhai, I have always only heard of Justice Sattar as the feeble old man who gave it away to Ershad. Thank you for your insight, it put everything in a fresh perspective.
April 13, 2008 at 7:05 pm
I wonder, how could Gen. Ershad compel Justice Satter to surrender leaving the office of the president for an immoral, corrupt and conspirator Ershad. Maybe due to old has decrepited him.
But as far as I know, he was a very spirited strict honoest man. I gave two examples how steadfast in his honesty and how insensitive to flattery and nepotism. You folks, remember Dr. Iqbal who murdered his wife [I don't remember her name now]. And that was the first such gruesome murder of a wife by the husand in post-independence period from the elilte educated commuinity. Justice Satter was a relative of Dr. Iqbal. People thought that Iqbal’s hanging order wouldn’t be executed eventually as Mr. Satter was the president and Iqbal would get president’s clemency. But with utter astonishment Justice Satter didnn’t pardon him. He was executted.
Another example, as Justice Satter hadn’t no kids and so the-then Jubodal leader and state minister for youth affairs Mr. Abul Kashem of comilla used to address/call him as father [as I have known]. But that that type closeness didn’t work. When it was informed from intelligence service that the criminal Imdu was in Kasheem’s house, he was arrested from there and Kashem was sacked from his job as state minister.
So, his resume and role tells he was a man of strict principle and honesty. He was a different person and a leader; and deserves adoration.
Thanks.
April 14, 2008 at 9:41 am
Justice Sattar’s experience can be an eye opener to the similarities and dissimilarity of Ershad’s coup and 1/11.
Very much like 1/11, back in 1982, our progressive Zia hating world (In the context of skyrocketing popularity of Zia) thought that a military coup was the only way to get rid of BNP. Hence Ershad’s coup received overwhelming media-civil society support. And once Ershad took over, the progressive world continued the onslaught as they saw it a chance to eliminate BNP from the face of the earth.
Also, top ranking BNP leaders, (I mentioned earlier, number 2 to number 20 in BNP hierarchy) secretly joined hands with Ershad. When Ershad’s gun was at Sattar’s head, these leaders did not stand beside Sattar. And also remember that Sattar knew very well that he had two options left, 1. Quit and try to face it politically and 2. Get killed. (During that Era, coups used to be bloody. In fact Sattar was the first one in BD history to be deposed off without being killed). I believe Sattar did the right thing. He remained chairperson of BNP till 84 and held its helm when most serious blows came to destroy it. He retired after handing over the helm to Khaleda Zia in 84 and after helping build an extremely powerful Chhatra Dal, which led BNP back to power in 1991.
Have you noticed how progressive media treats Delwar these days? Suddenly Mannan-Hafiz-Saifur became media sweethearts. Media keep calling standing committee made BNP secy etc while all standing committee members except two gave affidavit to court that they did not endorse it. Sattar was treated same way by the media those days. Very much like these days, some very powerful people are dreaming of eliminating BNP from this planet by handing the leadership to a turncoat fraction.
The dissimilarity is that at that time, the grassroot of BNP was easily fooled by the turncoats like Shah Aziz, Huda, Matin etc. But the grassroots as well as the mid level activists these time are not ready to be fooled.
April 21, 2008 at 5:20 am
boot licking, or boot avoiding?
April 22, 2008 at 6:45 pm
Both Shahdeen bhai and Badiul bhai have a track record of social services throughout their lifetimes. Before name calling them like that I think their track records deserve a more substantial evidence on why are they are called collaborators. Shahdin Malik is working a lawyer for Dudok and that does not make him an ‘agent of military’.
April 22, 2008 at 8:27 pm
Badiul Alam Majumdar’s track record includes his support of the conspiracy of the current Election commission.
Shahdin Malik represented military puppet Major Hafiz in his case against Khaleda Zia.
And this track record justifies calling them collaborators.
April 22, 2008 at 11:46 pm
Apnar blog, apni jake ja ichcha tai bolben, gali diben, I guess that’s what it has come down to. But knowing both of them well I can vouch for their honesty and sincerity for our country. I may not agree with what they have done on a particular case, but I will not call them dalal of any kind. Just like I will not call you Tareq Rahman’s dalal.
April 23, 2008 at 5:15 am
Asif
Listen, look at your own writings pre 1/11. See how you resorted to gal gali when it came to election commission, president or anyone related. I don’t want to go there. What shocks me is the sudden change in religion to become a gala gali free clean public after 1/11.
“Honesty and sincerety for the country?”… who does not have that?
Does not Kamal Hossain, Mahfuz Anam, Motiur Rahman have that same track record?
Making case for Hafiz or representing these military run election commission in the court these days is not a particular case, it is a pattern.
“Just like I will not call you Tareq Rahman’s dalal…” That us an extremely cheap one Asif. Especially from you! As we talk now, this man is tortured and held in custody without justice. If speaking out on behalf of him makes me his dalal, so be it.
Nearly a week after 1/11 I wrote a blog post. Totally refraining from any gala gali, I just translated how Motiur Rahman explained the changes of 1/11 and glorified the role of military. How you responded? Here it is.
“.. His relentless work for average citizen and Bangladeshi media gives him enough credibility to not question his motives. Does it take Matiur Rahman to say that the both parties have failed us? We need a new model of democracy to work in Bangladesh. The recent two features in PA called Mononayan banijjo ( nomination business) and the dealings with Ershad to get him by the two parties are the finest example of how democracy is being used by a few thugs and leaders to hijack our country. This report gives even more credence to the rumour that the money AL got as mullah for Ershad was obtained from the deal they did with Khelafot.
I don’t know about you but I prefer Fakhruddin (whether or not backed by army) over Jalil, Amu or Abbas/Falu or Khaleda, Hasina any day. I think we should seriously give this government time to see how they do their work before jumping into conclusion. I don’t think they will do any favour to AL / BNP. Also if there is any time, it is now high time for Dr. Yunus to start his Grameen Party. “
April 23, 2008 at 9:40 am
I reiterate that just like speaking out for Tareq Rahman’s rights does not make you Tareq Rahman’s dalal, fighting a case for Hafizuddin in the court of law as a lawyer does not make Shahdeen Malik a dalal of military. Neither are all his write ups in prothom alo and his years of service for the country meaningless which you are trying to imply. If you can show me any name calling on my write ups pre 1/11, I will be happy to admit my fault. My stand on the failure of the past regimes has not changed one bit. I still believe 1/11 intervention was needed, otherwise we would have had a Zimbabwe in Bangladesh today. The government should have done the election within one year and left. Please make no mistake about it that we are in this mess today because of the Jote Shorkar and its shameless ploy to stay in power for 30 years. Tareq Rahman wanted to be our Mugabe. There is no ifs and buts about it.
April 23, 2008 at 10:10 am
Asif bhai, I’m glad we’re having this discussion. Let us clearly understand where we all stand today.
Robert Mugabe fought for Zimbabwe’s independence for eighteen years, through imprisonment and exile, before ZANU won the 1980 elections. I’m not sure in what basis he is being compared to Tareq Rahman, a political neophyte.
I’m sorry you think the previous government is responsible for our current mess. Honestly speaking, I know of no plan to stay in power for thirty years. BNP won the 2001 election by getting 193 out of the 300 seats in parliament. Was it unreasonable for this party to expect to make another decent showing in the 2007 elections?
What was the thirty-year plan, Asif Bhai? What was the difference between the end of December, when the 14-party opposition combine had announced their candidates and were gearing for the campaign, and 5th January, when they announced to withdraw from the elections? Did the EC undergo a radical change within that one week?
Asif bhai, the very nature of the military coup of January 11th has made every step that has unfurled since then a necessity. If anyone believe that that coup could have happened without the subsequent torture or the election engineering that is happening and is yet to come, then I have to say, they have completely misunderstood the current situation in Bangladesh. The torture, the trampling of civil liberties and human rights, the political manipulation, were all inevitable once 1/11 happened. There was absolutely no other way for a military coup to play out.
And make no mistake about it, it was not an intervention, it was a coup. One enforced by guns and brute force.
On the same note, Asif bhai, I will make a prediction about the violence and the bloodbath this this coup will end in. We will all be horrified and shamed, but this conclusion is inevitable given the path which this military government has set ourselves on.
I understand well your defense of Shahdin Malik. I have always enjoyed reading his columns, and he is a very good lawyer.
I don’t know if you have read this piece you wrote in Prothom Alo, Asif Bhai, it is at:
http://prothom-alo.com/archive/news_details_mcat.php?dt=2008-04-21&issue_id=900&cat_id=3&nid=OTQ2NjQ=&mid=Mw==
Do you see the terrible sense of hubris and elitism that is now affecting the people who support this military coup? In reaction to the news that a group of people including Mosaddeq Ali Falu, Enaytur Rahman Bappi, and Salman F Rahman had built a shed in which prison inmates could pray, the good lawyer said that we do not need any contribution from “Alu-Falu-Dulu-Bhulu.” The rest of the article is a diatribe in the same tone.
Let Advocate Malik defend Major Hafiz, Asif bhai. But please read this article and see how whole-heartedly he has embraced the mass imprisonment of this current government. Dalal is too cliche a term for him, Asif Bhai. In the coming years, people like him will be mentioned in the same breath as razakars and mirjafars.
April 23, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Asif
It is not “just fighting the case for Hafuzuddin”, it is helping break a party and forming a new military implanted fraction. It is all about a corrupt puppet election commission. And we are all here today to rectify a puppet election commission.
On what gound one would fight for Hafizuddin other than being a party to the conspiracy the EC-Military-CTG are hatching these days? Who supports Hafizuddin other than the conspirators and the coersed?
You did not do gala gali to EC, Iajuddin, tareq Zia before 1/11 ?? How many you want me to show you? I don’t need to show any single write up. Anyone can visit unheard voices, visit the posts before 1/11/07 and see what you wrote on their own. All of them are full of gala gali of the EC etc.
And when you say this…
” Please make no mistake about it that we are in this mess today because of the Jote Shorkar and its shameless ploy to stay in power for 30 years. Tareq Rahman wanted to be our Mugabe. There is no ifs and buts about it.” you expose yourself clearly. You are guided by deep hatred.
A value of peoples’ verdict, democracy, transparency or rule of law is meaningless in the face of that hatred. You would have been much happier if another 15th August style massacre happened on 1/11. A healthy debate, logical discussion is not possible with you. Like Shadin Malik, whatever you write here and there, you are a staunch believer of this militarycracy.
April 23, 2008 at 7:26 pm
My oh my this is angrytown and bitterville, with folks clinging to inane namecalling like smalltown Pennsylavania voters. Okay, that clumsy joke out of the way, some thoughts.
1. Rumi bhai, I respect you a lot, and value your opinion tremendously. That’s why I think it’s your anger talking when you say that someone who supported the coup in January 2007 would have been happier with a 15 Aug style massacre. You see, I too welcomed the coup - and I called it a coup right then (see here: http://jrahman.wordpress.com/2008/01/11/wont-get-fooled-again/)
And no, I definitely wouldn’t have been happier with a 15 Aug style massacre. Maybe some hardcore Zia-haters would have been, but I don’t think it’s fair to say that a run-of-the-mill supporter of the coup would have been happier with a 15 Aug style massacre. That’s anger talking, surely.
2. And there is much to get angry about. Sure. And we express our anger, and frustration, and yes, bitterness, in different ways. Tacit’s blog has been relentless in exposing the regime’s moves. Dhaka Shohor has written some very angry posts (it’s my Bollywood-Hollywood colonised mind, but I sometime imagine Dhaka Shohor to be a mix of 1970s Amitabh Bachchan and 1950s Marlon Brando kicking the bad guys’ arse). And Rumi bhai has his unique way of expressing his anger. I understand the need to express the anger. But after we’ve expressed our anger and frustration and bitterness, let’s calm down and think about the situation today and the situation in the months before 1/11.
3. When we do calm down and think through the issues, we will see a lot of parrallels. Let’s list them.
a. In both cases, the people nominally in power were puppets, with strings attached elsewhere. Iajuddin had his backers in Hawa Bhaban. Fakhruddin has his in the cantonment.
b. In both cases, the judiciary and Election Commission were playing to the tune of the de facto centre of power.
c. In both cases, the party at the receiving end of the manipulation said ‘amra khelbo na, screw you guys, we’re going home’.
We can argue about the details and fine points, but do we really doubt the broad parrallels? Really?
4. So, if there are broad parrallels, then you’d have thought that there would be parrallels in the stands taken then and stands taken now. But the stands actually differ markedly. Again, let’s list them:
a. Back then, volumes were written and said on why AL and allies would be committing political suicide by joining the election under the old EC and Iajuddin. Most of those who urged AL to boycott 22 Jan election are not supporting BNP’s Khaleda loyalists’ call for boycott today. But other people, who didn’t support AL’s andolon back then, are now thinking seriously about supporting a future andolon led by Khaleda.
b. What were the arguments against AL’s andolon then? Some said it was a part of AL’s election strategy they said - win an andolon, create a joar, win the election. Others argued, AL didn’t believe it could win, so it wanted to create any pretense for a boycott to prevent a BNP win. Of course these same arguments can be made about Khaleda led BNP today. There is no denying that the Zia brand took a heavy beating in the past few years (you can argue about whether it was justified or not, but please don’t say that Khaleda in 2006 had the same image as Khaleda in 1990). An andolon will revive her image. And if a fair election is held today, she might not actually win it, so maybe she should boycott it? The thing is, people who make these arguments are not the same people who argued that AL’s andolon was ‘dishonest’.
c. And there was one voice in the blogosphere (and one Nobel winner) who consistently argued that AL should participate in the election then no matter what. Their argument was that as long as AL participated in the election with complete commitment, it would be very hard if not impossible for Hawa Bhaban cronies to rig the election. The lone blogger is of course none other than our host Rumi bhai.
5. So, what stands should one take today? I am not a preacher. It’s not for me to say what others should do. I can, however, point to what consistency would demand. Consistency would demand that anyone who thought rigging was impossible against people’s verdict in Jan 2007 should urge everyone to join the coming election. Consistency would also demand that anyone who was supporting the AL andolon then should support an andolon today. Alternatively, I can point out that we can change our stand, saying we were wrong then. We can say ‘I was wrong to support the andolon then, AL should have participated then, and everyone should do so now’. Or we can say ‘I was wrong to oppose the andolon then, and we should support an andolon now’. Anything else and it would not be an objective analysis, it would be partisan logic like ‘amar party election e harle shukkho karchupi hoise’.
6. Quotes from a post by Rumi bhai in December 2006:
“Do we need to do any second guessing on what will be the fate of our democracy if BNP can go by doing all what they are doing now? If BNP can regain power after failing so miserably in certain basic assignments like price control, supplying electricity etc, there will be no incentive to do good job during a five year term. Shrewd conspiracy will be the coveted political tool. People’s verdict will be thrown in the garbage. The truth will be that you don’t need peoples’ support to win election; all you need is tons of black money, cunning meneuvering of administration and caretaker government.
Now do we have any way out of all these mayhem? How to stop BNP from implementing their evil plan? At this point I get more depressed. What options we have left to protest BNP black crafts? More Hartal/Oborodh? Longer blockade? Should it succeed, won’t it make Hartal Oborodh a successful tool? Is anybody dreaming that that next AL government will not repeat what BNP is doing now? So are we inviting a vicious cycle of institutional destruction and corruption followed by Hartal-oborodh?
I don’t see any light at the end of the tunnel. Like everything else, this BNP government has destroyed our dreams too.”
For the record, I believed then the way out was a fully committed opposition participation in the election. By fully committed I mean a co-ordinated set of nominations, a well organised campaign, and a positive message about the post election future. And I still believe that now.
We can be angry about things. We can go on and on about whether it was BNP or AL that destroyed ur dreams. We can say Tacit-Rumi Ahmed Tarek Rahmaner dalal, Asif Saleh army’r dalal and so on. But that anger won’t achieve anything whatsoever.
April 23, 2008 at 8:30 pm
Discount whatever I say out of frustration or anger.
But if I take all my anger off me, take all my passion for justice out of me, ONE question remains to be answered.
One simple question. Our media, our bloggers, our prothom-Alos, our Shahdin Maliks, our Bodi Alams did protest, in loudest possible voice, every single move of the last EC. EC was demonized beyond the minimal civility.
Did any of the same people make one single noise against the mayhem the current EC is causing? Has a single blog been written by the same people who have been so vocal against ex CEC?
And if I try to expose the double standard of Shahdin Malik and Bodi Alam Mojumdars, I am told that “…Apnar blog, apni jake ja ichcha tai bolben, gali diben, I guess that’s what it has come down to.”
The fact is that not a single english word was used in this post that has not been used by the accuser against CEC Aziz, Iajuddin, Tareq, Khaleda etc.
April 23, 2008 at 10:47 pm
Rumi bhai, you’re absolutely right about the namecalling that the last EC got, and the free pass that this EC gets. But it’s not as simple as you portray.
The moment Aziz saw 101 parties like Bangladesh Shami-Stri Dal for ‘consultation’ he became marked for ridicule. Huda and Shakhawat are much more clever than that. Similarly, Ruhul Amin is a much more cunning judge than Mokhles or Faizi or others appointed by BNP. It is often said that ‘people don’t learn from mistakes’. That’s not true. People do learn. Moeen and his mates learnt from Tarek and his mates. You want to rig the electoral field, you want to fix the institutions so that the opposition gets screwed, do it in a more clever way than the Aziz model - that’s the lesson. You want a puppet figurehead, choose a sophisticated Tagore quoting Princeton PhD, he’ll do a much better job than hapless Iajuddin - that’s the lesson.
So, the ridicule that worked against Aziz or Iajuddin won’t work against Huda and Fakhruddin. It’s not true that these guys aren’t ridiculed in the blogosphere. They may not be ridiculed by Asif, or in UV. But they are ridiculed in facebook groups and AL-linked blogs. Fakhruddin got lampooned in Salam Dhaka in March 2007, before it became fashionable to criticise the regime. Yunus was hit the hardest by those blogs. I’m not defending any of those. But it’s not true that the regime or its enablers were not hit in the blogs.
But those criticisms doesn’t stick against Fakhruddin-Huda-Ruhul Amin the way cheap shots against Iajuddin-Aziz-Mokhles stuck. These guys are much more shrewd, so the opposition has to be more sophisticated than calling Shahdin Malik dalal.
April 23, 2008 at 10:58 pm
I thought I would not be wasting any space by posting this piece. In the context of the topic, it’s worth reading about couple of principal conspirators and agents (Kamal Hossain and Muzaffar Ahmed) of this military backed western puppet entity. Kamal Hossain activities since the days of independence would raise question in any sane person mind – how a person lived in comfort of Pakistani hospitality during independence war and pardoned most brutal Pak generals BUT not be called razakar?
http://www.dailynayadiganta.com/2008/04/23/fullnews.asp?News_ID=78262&sec=4
Well in crowd of such prominent collaborators and conspirators like Kamal Hossain, Mahfuz Anam, Motiur Rahman, Muzaffar Ahmed, Rehman Sobhan and Latifur Rahman perhaps Shahdin and Bodiul could only be called PATI agents. Nonetheless agents.
April 24, 2008 at 12:55 am
Rumi bhai,
Don’t have time today for a longer response. But quickly, I had no objection in you criticizing the election commissioners but I objected to you calling dalal of people with good track record of speaking for the people (shahdeen, badiul). Also when I criticized CEC Aziz in 2006, I didn’t name call him, I pointed out why there is there crticism against him and made my case http://www.drishtipat.org/blog/2006/11/19/whats-the-big-deal-with-the-voter-list/
If the problem gets on a similar stage, I will do the same with this EC as well. But it hasn’t and that’s why Jyoti, to people holding that national id card in Bangladesh, the criticisms don’t stick.
I can produce many examples where you asked to look at the real problems rather than the political headlines. That is the thing. Dalal vs non dalal, army vs party is not really the question. What is the solution to the REAL problems in Bangladesh. Practical, pragmatic solutions. Not just shouting and name calling.
April 24, 2008 at 12:55 am
(continuation from previous comment)
Your 11 point dissent when we were upset over humayun azad slashing hinting that it may well be a mugger.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/drishtipat/message/2140
“I believe, not the Humayun Azad mancha, a more important mancha need to be built in DU campus, it could be AIDS mancha, it could me anti-terror/anti-corruption or even an anti-strike mancha. ”
On Operation Clean heart under BNP citing the dilemma of the average citizen:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/drishtipat/message/948
“I also feel like Akku Chowdhiry. Let this army destroy my captors,
destroy them ruthlessly, destroy the cruelly. I am locked in life -
death struggle of survival. I don’t have the option of judging a
politically correct counter attack now.
”
My point is that we have all said things at different times at different realities. it may be wrong when you look back. But these positions were based on real ground realities and strong belief. Now you may ask how I should differentiate between a stamped dalal like Ataur Rahman and Waliur Rahman and a Shahdeen Malik. I say look at their past track records for the cause. The issue is not who is shouting more vocally than the others. and neither it is about who is for democracy and for militocracy. The issue is about solving the real problem of the real people whether it is human rights, judiciary, or our democratic instititutes.
April 24, 2008 at 7:47 am
Asif
I knew that these five year old posts were coming towards me. As you have sent the same post to me persoanly several months ago. Possibly to remind me (
blackmail me ? ) of my ‘double standard’. I explained you earlier, I will do the same now. Operation clean heart was a civilian government controlled law enforcement campaign. Kind of following India’s anti Naxalite style. I thought using army for local law enforcement will at least make a good use of the military under a robust civilian control. Who protested than? kamal Hossains, Mahfuz Anams etc. Their point was–army should never be used for (?) political reasons.
I am on record praising militray involvement in local law enforcement activities. I dared write posts in UV praising RAB concept, while RAb was at its worst reputation. Never did I however endorse extra judicial killing, never.
Similarly, never did I hint that Humayun Azad attack was a mugger’s act. You are making that up. I still stand by what I said. We have more important issues than only to keep focused on moulobadi or war crimes issues.
April 24, 2008 at 7:58 am
I see a huge difference is perception of events. For you, what EC is doing now is nothing compared to what CEC Aziz’s EC did.
We all have your own standards and biases. We all have our long sights and short sights. But my reading of the situation is exactly opposite. For me, current EC is involved in the worst dirty trick in Bnagladesh history.
I wrote many a times, in front of a full fledged participation of all parties, all the errors of a voter list will be corrected automatically.
What this EC is doing is simple conspirating against political parties to disenfranchise a big political base of the country. This is the worst thing an election commission could theoretically do.
And Asif, you want me to believe that by patronizing the conspiracy of the EC to disenfranchize a big chunk of the population, those Kamal Hossain, Bodiul Mojumdar, Shahdin Maliks are helping in ” solving the real problem of the real people whether it is human rights, judiciary, or our democratic instititutes” ? How can I continue a logical debate with you here?
April 24, 2008 at 8:23 am
And in a different issue, lets go back to Shahdin Malik’s column as linked by tacit.
Shahdin Malik is not a “gala Gali” resorting blogger like me!. He is a lawyer and a law professor. He also claims to be a human rights champion. That makes him gyan papi.
He pointed at Alu-Falu-Dulu-Vulu as the worst criminals a nation can have. Does not the law 101 teach us uphold the principle of “innocence until proven guilty’ ? How many of these people have been convicted in a court of law?
By Alu, he pointed at Moazzem Hossain Alal ex-MP. Alal ( still carrying a bullet in his head from 80s days) was arrested from his MohammadPur residence with mocked up charges of breaking SOE regulations. He was sent to Rangpur prison and was kept in a room where death row prisoners are kept. He received bail, was released but was arrested immediately at jail gate and again for alleged brealking SOE law. First time he was alleged to planning anti state activities sitting with some people in his home. Next time he was alleged to have tried to agitate the people in Rangpur city. The fact is that he barely made two steps out of jail gate when he was re-arrested.
What was expected of a law profesor and a human rights leader is a protest of these sort of gross human rights violations and tortures. Instead we are seeing mass conviction without trial of the perceived ‘culprits’ by these same people.
I really wish that some day something called ‘conscience’ will come back to the heart of these Shahdin Maliks and his supporters.
April 24, 2008 at 8:37 am
Use of army for law enforcement under ‘robust civilian control’ is fine but not under caretaker civilian government? Do you seriously believe that when army was blindfolding and beating the hell out of people during operation clean heart, they were taking orders from the local DC? Wasn’t the term ‘Joint Forces’ created then?
Didn’t riding of the tiger started then?
Regarding Humayun Azad case, did I dream up the examples of your citing various mugging incident of yours and your friends in the Humayun Azad thread in the dp mailing list? I sure don’t want to provide that link and show more of your absurd contradictions.
You praise the RAB concept but you do not want to take responsibility of the side effects of the RAB concept. How odd is that? Its like me saying, I endorse the 1/11 concept of intervention but I don’t want to take any responsibility of the government that comes through such means.
Voter list problems would have been taken care of itself? Great. Why waste time on such things as going to people’s houses, getting the names, publishing draft etc? After all, we are one big happy family.
No, I don’t believe EC is asking for permission to Shahdeen Malik before doing its thing. Yes, certainly yours and our perception is different on things. But does that justify you calling me a dalal? Can we have an honest debate then? Fight me with yuor points and write ups but why would you label me or Shahdeen Malik just because I don’t agree with your view points?
Over the last few months, you jumped on anyone who slightly dared on criticizing your views or disagreed with you whereas you went on free style character assassination on your blog. If you want to dish it out, please be prepared to take it on as well.
You are right though. Your views are so colored by anger because of the BNP debacle, that its not possible to have a logical debate with you.
Tacit, I will reply to your much more rational response soon.
I don’t have any proof but the lack of investigation of August 21 bombing to wipe out Hasina and subsequent hijacking of the electoral process and the admin is the proof of their intention of staying in power for the long term. You know it, Rumi bhai knows it (we have exchanged private emails over it). But you won’t admit to it in public.
April 24, 2008 at 8:59 am
I clearly wrote about August 21 incident immediately after the incidence. That stand remains valid. And I shared my personal worry with you about tareq rahman involvement in it many yearsv late when the case was going nowhere. Investigation by this government proves that the worry was wrong and my early assessment remains valid. You disagree with so many of my opinions, why you are still crrying that single worry to faithfully?
Character assassination was not started by me. It was started many years ago by people we all know. And that practice goes on. Shahdin Malik’s stated column is an example of that. My blog has not resorted to any character assassination, it just exposed the double standards many of us carry.
I know I dared expose many extremely powerful peoples real facade. This is what I am getting in return.
I myself, on record, exprssed my strong desire to see BNP get defeated in an election 2006. I did not want a BNP government again. But what I see now is not a BNP debacle. It is a debacle of our civil values. That makes me very frustrated.
April 24, 2008 at 10:28 am
Welcome to the fray, Jyoti Bhai. Not for the weak of heart.
The thing is, I have a problem when I see this EC being compared to the one led by Justice Aziz. The current EC has already picked the splinter BNP group as the real BNP. They will then give this splinter the paddy symbol, and make it as difficult as possible for the real BNP to contest the elections. I agree with you, BNP should be in the elections. But how can it do so if it is prevented from contesting?
This EC is systematically trying to disenfranchise a very large part of Bangladesh. It will give the paddy symbol to the splinter BNP, and then not let BNP contest at all under their own name. They have set up a rule that anyone who is not registered as a voter can not contest in the general elections. They have not protested the government move to ban people from contesting elections if they are convicted under EPR.
Say what you will about the last EC, were they trying to disenfranchise such a large chunk of Bangladesh? Wasn’t AL ready to go to elections under them at the end of 2006?
Lastly, a personal comment. Both Rumi Bhai and Asif Bhai are our murubbis in the blogosphere. Our country is already torn apart with strife. Can we not prevent it from spreading in the blogosphere as well? I know both of you have very disparate points of view, and I respect that. But it really means a lot to us that you still work together, along with Jyoti Bhai, to maintain UV blog, and it sets a great example for all of us. Please give us the opportunity to keep respecting you in the future as well.
April 24, 2008 at 11:19 am
Surely, Shahdin Malik could have written an op-ed about Falu’s innocense until proven guilty but Bangladesh has far more pressing problems than highlighting the plight of the super powerful and the super rich who enjoyed supreme power with impunity for long. Falu, Tareq Rahmans have powerful friends abroad and in the army to represent their case. Moudud have powerful celebreties making his case on Guardian. They neither need a shahdin malik or a rumi ahmed or an asif saleh to make their case. I reproduce below what I wrote about Pilger’s Moudud article in Guardian.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/apr/03/bangladesh
By all means, Mr Pilger, draw attention to injustice in Bangladesh, but try to do so more for those who have no voice, rather than for the corrupt and powerful who have escaped justice for decades. And please bring your investigation skills to bear on the state of the justice system in Bangladesh and some of those who have caused it to become what it is, including your friend Moudud Ahmed.
Tacit, your point about restraint is noted. Thanks. That comment that I would want a 15th August solution for Zia family was something that tested my tolerance level and I failed.
April 24, 2008 at 5:06 pm
An extremely tragic postscript to comment 22. Hearing her son had again been arrested after being released from prison, Umme Kulsum, mother of Moazzem Hossain Alal, had a heart attack and died. She was 80.
April 24, 2008 at 8:51 pm
Tacit, at least you and I can step back and laugh at the murubbis
- I’m a newbie compared with these guys when it comes to Deshi writing circles.
More seriously though, I don’t know what Asif meant when he said ‘apnar blog apni ja khushi likhben ….’, but personally, I don’t really see what the big deal in that comment was. I mean, of course it’s Rumi bhai’s blog, and he is expressing his views. If he thinks Shahdin Malik is a dalal then why can’t he say it? I mean, Tacit has taken Zafar Sobhan to task in much stronger terms, and I didn’t see any need to defend Zafar - he’s a big boy who can argue his case, and let the reader judge. Surely it’s the same thing when Rumi bhai says Shahdin Malik or Badiul Alam etc are dalals, no? And I’m sure Rumi bhai regrets the suggestion that Asif wants to gun down the Zia clan. So let’s not waste time on those emotional comments and discuss substantive things.
I don’t think anyone in the present company has any delusions about what the coupmakers are after. They want to ensure that the next government does their bidding. And EC and the Supreme Court and many of the bhodrolokes are helping them. I don’t think any of us doubt it. And note that I’m not talking about Moeen the individual.
I think the key question is, what will we do if they are successful?
If they are successful, views about 1/11 will replace views about November 1975 as the political identifier in Bangladesh for the next generation. We’ll have two parties: pro-1/11 and anti-1/11. Everything else - India, secularism, women’s rights, views about Mujib-Zia - will take a backseat.
Let me tip my hands here. In such a world, I’ll find it very hard to support the pro-1/11 party. That party may have policies that I care about - nari niti, trying war criminals, strong local government, whatever - but I’ll still find it hard to support an inherently elitist party born out of palace conspiracy.
But does this mean I should automatically support the anti-1/11 party? I’d like to see some discussions about the contours of that politics. If we have to support an anti-1/11 party, what kind of leadership will we want from that? I’d like to see discussion about that. If Joynal Hazari and Nasiruddin Pintu emerge as shongrami jono neta, what will we do? Let’s not pretend that these questions have easy answers. They don’t.
Shahdin Malik and Badiul Alam can sign up to the pro-1/11 party. If we want genuine democracy for Bangladesh, our place will probably be in the anti-1/11 party. But we need to make sure that the anti-1/11 party doesn’t become a party of Hazaris and Pintus. That discussion is much harder than pointing out Malik and Badiul’s role. People can see Malik and Badiul’s role without our writing.
That is the discussion we need to have. With the exception of a post or two from Tacit, I haven’t seen anything in the blogosphere. With the exception of Farhad Mazhar style radicalism in the New Age and Naya Diganta - not my style of politics - there aren’t much in the print media either. If we want to really make a difference, then let’s discuss those. Calling someone dalal, and then protesting that someone was called a dalal, and then getting angry about it and saying we want another 15 Aug is not really worth any of our time.
April 24, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Thanks folks. I really appreciate your inputs. One single view point always has the potential of getting a faulty image. Adding others points always helps.
I know I also should not have complained much about all these. I have adopted a very risky self destructive policy since 1/11. I see that as a policy of exposing the double standards of certain extremely powerful people, you may see it as reckless character assassination attempt of a dysfunctional mind. Whatever it is, it certainly made some very strong people mad at me and I should not be surprised or angry at this sort of attacks at me. My inexperience led me to believe that the people I am coming after, all have track reord of character massacre in their resume and they would ignore one or two feeble attempt of the same against them. And none of the people I aimed at are confined in a jail cell or gagged from even self defence. They all are writing, talking, attacking their enemies in the biggest meetings of the town, in the highest circulated news papers and most watched TV shows of the country. My readership is 1/1000000th of theirs. Anyway, I hve only to blame myself for all these. Its not worth any furter discussion. I rest my self-defence here.
N.B. I just had the time to re-read all my old writings pointed to today. Now I can say, with conviction, that I stand by every single word I wrote on those posts six 5-6 years ago.
April 25, 2008 at 10:09 am
Re #26, I’m sure you’re right, Asif bhai. Although I don’t know what’s the use of powerful army and foreign backers if you get your spinal cord broken anyways.
But even leaving that aside, it should not just be the army and foreigners who can hold forth on human rights issues. It should be an issue vital to all of us, and this is a very good time to underline the centrality of this issue on everyday lives.
Also, consider this. I would say that when you oppose Mosaddeq Ali Falu and Tareq Rahman’s role in 2001-2006, you are really conveying your opposition to the exercise, actual or perceived, of near-unlimited state power. Now, these two men are the victims of this power. If we want to get at the root of this problem and actually start building checks and balances on this prerogative, we really have to move beyond individual blame-games and start attacking the larger cause underneath. That’s my two cents.